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		<title>By: Data entry outsourcing</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-38871</link>
		<dc:creator>Data entry outsourcing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post Heidi, I’m not much into recycling but I after reading your post and the comment I have understood that it’s important to ask some hard hitting questions and know how the process works. Just accepting what you see isn’t going to pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post Heidi, I’m not much into recycling but I after reading your post and the comment I have understood that it’s important to ask some hard hitting questions and know how the process works. Just accepting what you see isn’t going to pass.</p>
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		<title>By: Agrdirect</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-38870</link>
		<dc:creator>Agrdirect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2010 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Heidi, never thought about it this way. I’ve a heard a lot on recycling as and going  green but your post has led me to think more on it. http://www.agrdirect.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Heidi, never thought about it this way. I’ve a heard a lot on recycling as and going  green but your post has led me to think more on it. <a href="http://www.agrdirect.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.agrdirect.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DenverDave</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-34949</link>
		<dc:creator>DenverDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 07:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s difficult to find information about the TRUE savings when recycling post-consumer paper, and this post is great. 

Two thoughts:
1) Speaking with a friend in the paper business, he was disappointed that the doubled transportation costs are never included when calculating the &quot;benefits&quot; of recycling. And he was pleased by the fact that we have made trees in the US one of THE most heavily-renewed resources! Add that to the fact that paper degrades quickly in landfills - we should focus more effort on those hard clear plastic shells that so many products are now sold in.

2) So we save energy by recycling, turning off lights, etc. Here&#039;s my concern - NEVER in the history of economics (supply and demand) has using LESS of something brought about better or cheaper products. Only by stressing the supply and causing shortages (and higher prices) do we motivate scientists and entrepreneurs to bring alternatives to the market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s difficult to find information about the TRUE savings when recycling post-consumer paper, and this post is great. </p>
<p>Two thoughts:<br />
1) Speaking with a friend in the paper business, he was disappointed that the doubled transportation costs are never included when calculating the &#8220;benefits&#8221; of recycling. And he was pleased by the fact that we have made trees in the US one of THE most heavily-renewed resources! Add that to the fact that paper degrades quickly in landfills &#8211; we should focus more effort on those hard clear plastic shells that so many products are now sold in.</p>
<p>2) So we save energy by recycling, turning off lights, etc. Here&#8217;s my concern &#8211; NEVER in the history of economics (supply and demand) has using LESS of something brought about better or cheaper products. Only by stressing the supply and causing shortages (and higher prices) do we motivate scientists and entrepreneurs to bring alternatives to the market.</p>
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		<title>By: Virility EX</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-29381</link>
		<dc:creator>Virility EX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 10:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post! I agree, The answer isn’t based on the actual greenness of the process. The answer is that mill broke and pre-consumer waste have always been recycled as part of the papermaking and production stream. Thus, many do not even consider them “recycled.” They consider them “recovered.” Very well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post! I agree, The answer isn’t based on the actual greenness of the process. The answer is that mill broke and pre-consumer waste have always been recycled as part of the papermaking and production stream. Thus, many do not even consider them “recycled.” They consider them “recovered.” Very well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Virility EX</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-38161</link>
		<dc:creator>Virility EX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 10:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post! I agree, The answer isn’t based on the actual greenness of the process. The answer is that mill broke and pre-consumer waste have always been recycled as part of the papermaking and production stream. Thus, many do not even consider them “recycled.” They consider them “recovered.” Very well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post! I agree, The answer isn’t based on the actual greenness of the process. The answer is that mill broke and pre-consumer waste have always been recycled as part of the papermaking and production stream. Thus, many do not even consider them “recycled.” They consider them “recovered.” Very well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Does PCW Paper Really Save Energy? It’s Worth Asking the Question</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-25684</link>
		<dc:creator>Does PCW Paper Really Save Energy? It’s Worth Asking the Question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last post on questioning conventional wisdom on recycled paper generated some terrific comments. After all, when you look more deeply into some of these issues, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doc Wheat</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-25595</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Wheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also need to count the greenhouse gases emitted from the waste paper as it degrades in the landfill. A pound of paper degrades to more than a pound of carbon dioxide. And if the landfill is not capturing methane the paper might be degraded to methane and released into the atmosphere that way. 

In general it is more relevant to focus on emissions than energy use alone. Using energy doesn&#039;t wreck the planet, but excessive GHG emissions might. Using too much energy might be an economic problem, but since that should be reflected in the price of the recycled paper the market should take care of it. Unless the taxpayers are getting mulcted to make up the difference.

Also when considering the cost of recovering post-consumer paper for recycling you can only count the transportation emissions in excess of those that would have been caused anyway by hauling it to a landfill. 

Waste paper could be composted, but the GHG balance of composting is a complicated problem in itself. And if all the waste paper now sent for recycling went into the composting stream instead, the value of finished compost might be driven down well below zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also need to count the greenhouse gases emitted from the waste paper as it degrades in the landfill. A pound of paper degrades to more than a pound of carbon dioxide. And if the landfill is not capturing methane the paper might be degraded to methane and released into the atmosphere that way. </p>
<p>In general it is more relevant to focus on emissions than energy use alone. Using energy doesn&#8217;t wreck the planet, but excessive GHG emissions might. Using too much energy might be an economic problem, but since that should be reflected in the price of the recycled paper the market should take care of it. Unless the taxpayers are getting mulcted to make up the difference.</p>
<p>Also when considering the cost of recovering post-consumer paper for recycling you can only count the transportation emissions in excess of those that would have been caused anyway by hauling it to a landfill. </p>
<p>Waste paper could be composted, but the GHG balance of composting is a complicated problem in itself. And if all the waste paper now sent for recycling went into the composting stream instead, the value of finished compost might be driven down well below zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Wheat</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-38160</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Wheat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also need to count the greenhouse gases emitted from the waste paper as it degrades in the landfill. A pound of paper degrades to more than a pound of carbon dioxide. And if the landfill is not capturing methane the paper might be degraded to methane and released into the atmosphere that way. 

In general it is more relevant to focus on emissions than energy use alone. Using energy doesn&#039;t wreck the planet, but excessive GHG emissions might. Using too much energy might be an economic problem, but since that should be reflected in the price of the recycled paper the market should take care of it. Unless the taxpayers are getting mulcted to make up the difference.

Also when considering the cost of recovering post-consumer paper for recycling you can only count the transportation emissions in excess of those that would have been caused anyway by hauling it to a landfill. 

Waste paper could be composted, but the GHG balance of composting is a complicated problem in itself. And if all the waste paper now sent for recycling went into the composting stream instead, the value of finished compost might be driven down well below zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also need to count the greenhouse gases emitted from the waste paper as it degrades in the landfill. A pound of paper degrades to more than a pound of carbon dioxide. And if the landfill is not capturing methane the paper might be degraded to methane and released into the atmosphere that way. </p>
<p>In general it is more relevant to focus on emissions than energy use alone. Using energy doesn&#8217;t wreck the planet, but excessive GHG emissions might. Using too much energy might be an economic problem, but since that should be reflected in the price of the recycled paper the market should take care of it. Unless the taxpayers are getting mulcted to make up the difference.</p>
<p>Also when considering the cost of recovering post-consumer paper for recycling you can only count the transportation emissions in excess of those that would have been caused anyway by hauling it to a landfill. </p>
<p>Waste paper could be composted, but the GHG balance of composting is a complicated problem in itself. And if all the waste paper now sent for recycling went into the composting stream instead, the value of finished compost might be driven down well below zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Does PCW Paper Really Save Energy? It’s Worth Asking the Question &#171; Green Commentaries Around the Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Does PCW Paper Really Save Energy? It’s Worth Asking the Question &#171; Green Commentaries Around the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] last post on questioning conventional wisdom on recycled paper generated some terrific comments. After all, when you look more deeply into some of these issues, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Heidi Tolliver-Nigro</title>
		<link>http://inspiredeconomist.com/2010/02/13/questioning-conventional-wisdom-on-pcw-recycled-paper/comment-page-1/#comment-38159</link>
		<dc:creator>Heidi Tolliver-Nigro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 13:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments! I recently looked into the energy use for virgin vs. recycled paper and was surprised to find that estimates on the percentage of energy savings for processing the pulp ranged from only about 28% to 70&amp; or so. But I&#039;m not sure whether that takes into consideration the energy used to harvest the pulp in the first place. Therein lies the challenge in evaluating these processes. You have to know how each is defined and all that goes on under the hood. That means asking hard questions (&quot;What do you mean by that&quot;) that few people are willing to take the time to do — or even know they need to do. It&#039;s too easy just to accept the label and feel good about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments! I recently looked into the energy use for virgin vs. recycled paper and was surprised to find that estimates on the percentage of energy savings for processing the pulp ranged from only about 28% to 70&amp; or so. But I&#8217;m not sure whether that takes into consideration the energy used to harvest the pulp in the first place. Therein lies the challenge in evaluating these processes. You have to know how each is defined and all that goes on under the hood. That means asking hard questions (&#8220;What do you mean by that&#8221;) that few people are willing to take the time to do — or even know they need to do. It&#8217;s too easy just to accept the label and feel good about it.</p>
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